I ran across a website called “www.taurusarmed.net” that contains a thread regarding: Security Breach at Air Force base.
A “thread” is basically a conversation or discussion between members that appears on an open forum type website (UNSECURED). In this case openly discussing security breaches at various Air Force base around the country. Exposing for the first time a sleeper issue officials are loath to talk about publicly or even comment on privately.
In following the thread it became clear that policies and security protocols vary radically at some Air Force bases across America for concealed weapons carry permit holders.
One poster “TrucksNcoffee” writes:
“Part of my job as a truck driver delivering/picking up construction equipment involves driving onto the local Air Force Base. For those of you not familiar with entering military installations these days, I enter via a special “contractor’s gate” not available to the public or to military members and dependents. Driver’s license is surrendered for a background check while the vehicle is thoroughly inspected. The last handful of times I have gone through this, the Air Force sergeant or airman handing my driver’s license back to me has asked me to confirm that I have a concealed carry permit. When I answer in the affirmative they always ask if I am armed, to which I respond in the negative. Now, I don’t mind that they know that I have a concealed carry permit, and I don’t mind them asking the questions; it’s all part of the job and part of our nation’s security. What I do have a problem with, is that they ask in the presence of other people who do not need to know, nor do they have the right to know. It got to the point this morning that I politely explained to the staff sergeant that I, and most other concealed carry permit holders, do not want other people to know, and would he please ask in confidence.
Having been an E-5 in the Air Force, I fully realize just how far that request will go (not very.) I guess I’m going to have to contact base security and talk to a senior officer. Have you encountered anything similar, either with military security or civilian law enforcement?”
When I was stationed down at Luke in AZ I worked the gates often. Never even crossed our minds to ask being it was legal to open carry down there!
Luke Air Force Base (IATA: LUF, ICAO: KLUF, FAA LID: LUF) is a United States Air Force base located seven miles (11 km) west of the central business district of Glendale, in Maricopa County, Arizona, United States.
It is also about 15 miles (24 km) west of Phoenix, Arizona.
Luke AFB is a major training base of the Air Education and Training Command (AETC), training pilots in the F-16 Fighting Falcon. On 31 March 2011 it was announced that the F-35 Lightning II would replace the F-16 as the primary training aircraft at Luke, although the date of deployment of the new aircraft to Luke and reorganization plans were not announced. On 16 July 2013, the Air Force announced that Luke AFB will house a total of 144 F-35A Lightning IIs.
One poster identified as “guesser” write:
“I’m in and out of the closest AFB a couple times a month. Buy guns from the BX gun shop, have carried guns on base that I bought in town and then went on base to the commissary. I have never been asked. The BX will not honor a carry permit when buying a gun on base, they make the NICS call regardless. I think it all has to do with the Vendor Gate security forces and the standing orders they are under.”
“The rare times I have had to go on post here, I’ve had to make sure I didn’t have one in the car, because there’s no carry on post here, even with CCL, unless you are active M.P., security, or law enforcement. I assume its that way on every federal installation.
I have have never been asked if I have a ccl, but they do ask (everytime) if I have any weapons, ammunition, or explosives in the car. No that gives me pause sometimes, because even if I take the guns out of the car before I go to the post, I cannot always guarantee I don’t have a loose bullet lying in an ash tray or something.
I wonder if my never having been asked is because my Pistol Permit is not tied to my driver’s license. Is yours?”
“As there may well be multiple other civilian drivers at that location at the same time, I can understand why I wouldn’t like to have the fact that I have a permit, but am not carrying announced to whatever low-life happened to make the run that day. He’s NOT upset over either the question, or the intent. He’s upset over the fact that other civilians are being given that information. Are YOU really sure that the other civilians are all so TRUSTWORTHY? Or that THEY, upon seeing you in a store later, won’t remark that you have a GUN PERMIT to another by-stander?
Does anyone actually think before they make snarky posts?”
We called Luke Air Force Base in Glendale Arizona to discuss base policy with regard to concealed weapons and concealed weapons permits and officials refused to comment.
In researching this we discovered a 2012 gun incident. Airman arrested after weapon discharge at Luke AFB http://arizona.newszap.com/westvalley/113052-114/airman-arrested-after-weapon
We also called Maxwell Air Force Base in Alabama since we know people there and officials sent us policy guideline for weapons:
MAXWELL AIR FORCE BASE, Ala. – — Personnel who authorize guest activities and services for commercial vendors, deliveries and contractors, must advise all drivers and passengers in advance on the proper guidance for firearms and ammunition transportation on a federal installation.
Drivers and passengers are not permitted to carry and/or store concealed deadly or dangerous privately owned weapons, ammunition, reloading supplies and other dangerous weapons in motor vehicles. Concealed weapons permits issued by civil authorities are not valid on Maxwell-Gunter without expressed written approval of the 42nd Air Base Wing commander.
Individuals may only transport privately owned weapons on Maxwell-Gunter when driving directly to and from the armory for storage, the on-base skeet range, off-base marksmanship range, authorized shooting activities (such as marksmanship competitions) or their residence in base family housing. Firearms and ammunition will never be left unattended in vehicles or other locations not specifically designated for the storage of weapons.
Illegal and dangerous weapons include but are not limited to, switchblade knives, incendiary/explosive weapons; fireworks; gravity knives; inertia knives; stiletto knives; metallic knuckles; any device designed, made, or adapted to muffle the report of a firearm; short barrel firearm (rifle less than 16 inches) or shotguns with barrel less than 18 inches or both less than 26 inches overall length; homemade mortars; machine guns; nun-chucks, nightsticks; saps; blackjacks; throwing stars; crossbows; conventional bows; bow and arrows; metal tipped arrows; swords; bladed weapons having a blade exceeding 5 ½ inches in length; any other weapons that will propel an object by non-explosive means such as BB or pellet guns, air rifles, air pistols, sling shots, etc.; stun guns or any other similar devices. Dangerous weapons required for duty (e.g., OC pepper spray and collapsible batons) are exempt from the above requirements, as long as they are carried by authorized personnel in the line of duty. Small containers of mace and OC pepper spray intended for self-defense are exempt from this list and may be carried.
Any drivers possessing these items will be documented accordingly and immediately denied access to the installation and/or apprehended for weapons’ possession violation. The sponsor(s) will be notified. Commercial vehicles are only authorized to enter the installation through the Kelly Street gate on Maxwell and Congressman Dickinson gate on Gunter.
In writing this story I received a comment from an unidentified source regarding a conversation related to this topic on another website dealing with a similar issue. It read as follows:
The military strives for the impossible: It wants to create a 100% risk-free society, and will do just about ANYTHING to avoid what it considers adverse publicity.
“At huge Ft Belvoir, people who live in family housing can store their guns in their houses. Those who live in barracks have to keep them in their unit storage rooms, which makes for an impossible cleaning and lubricating job, I’d think. You can buy guns at the PX but have to take them straight home-no stops (supposedly) allowed. In order to bring a gun onto the installation it has to be disassembled as much as possible, whatever that means. There’s no firing range on post if you can believe that. The CID criminal investigation types (different than military police) has to qualify at an off-post commercial range. I shoot at the same range, which is closer to Ft. Belvoir than to my house; it’s an unnecessary pain in the neck not to be able to conduct business on post and then go directly to the range. I can just imagine the reaction of the rent-a-cops if they found a range bag with a couple of pistols and a fair amount of ammo during one of their random inbound vehicle searches.”
Source: Thread: Military installations – No private guns allowed http://forums.1911forum.com/showthread.php?t=317219